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	<title>Comments on: Why I Cringe When I Hear the Words ‘Old Soul’</title>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this article, Anna. I have always felt uncomfortable when the term &quot;ascension&quot; has been used. Something within me tells me it&#039;s an abused word. I have always questioned...&quot;Ascension? Ascension to what?&quot;

As you do, I feel it&#039;s a matter of how close one gets to soul.
However, I don&#039;t mind the use of the term &quot;old soul&quot;, it just seems to fit some people. I have an old soul amongst my children. It&#039;s the best way to describe her, and one can see she&#039;s been in-tune with her soul at a young earthly age. I have encountered other old souls as well, and they are unmistakable. They seem to stand out in some area of their life. And so, as you mention, they may be close to soul in some areas of their life, but, not in all. Seems like chakra development to me.
Thanks, again, for the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this article, Anna. I have always felt uncomfortable when the term &#8220;ascension&#8221; has been used. Something within me tells me it&#8217;s an abused word. I have always questioned&#8230;&#8221;Ascension? Ascension to what?&#8221;</p>
<p>As you do, I feel it&#8217;s a matter of how close one gets to soul.<br />
However, I don&#8217;t mind the use of the term &#8220;old soul&#8221;, it just seems to fit some people. I have an old soul amongst my children. It&#8217;s the best way to describe her, and one can see she&#8217;s been in-tune with her soul at a young earthly age. I have encountered other old souls as well, and they are unmistakable. They seem to stand out in some area of their life. And so, as you mention, they may be close to soul in some areas of their life, but, not in all. Seems like chakra development to me.<br />
Thanks, again, for the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Buddha completed his Awakening, he called for a plate of pork. That one idea, that the embodied ideal of spiritual awareness should satisfy his body&#039;s needs, speaks strongly of the need for balance which you emphasize here.</description>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, This is a very interesting article.  I tend to agree with you because we are all One and part of the Godhead/Source, Essence, whatever we wish to call it.  In the world of spirit, there is no &quot;better&quot; or &quot;worse.&quot; These concepts are rooted in the physical realm, part of the illusion.  It&#039;s a man-made concept based on the ego of course.  
Since we are human, many would like to be considered &quot;older&quot; or &quot;wiser&quot; due to the ego&#039;s desires and the appealing notion of ranking &quot;higher&quot; on the totem pole.  But as mentioned earlier, it&#039;s simply an illusion because we are all united and one in spirit.  All souls are interacting each second of the day and having effects on others, we all are.  We choose our roles for certain lifetimes in order to help others remember who they are... 
I firmly believe the reason we incarnate physically is to Remember who we are rather than Learn.  We were all created in perfection so we already &quot;know&quot; everything there is to know... There is nothing to Learn per se. The CWG books really emphasize this.  We simply come here to Experience what we know and practice what we know...  For example, a person can study music for 20 years but if they never practice that music, they will never fully experience what they know....
So we all choose roles for a reason... Some appear as &quot;good&quot; and others &quot;bad&quot;... But all is in divine order and perfect.  I actually admire souls who step up to the plate and take on the role of a &quot;bad&quot; person in order to help with another&#039;s life purpose/blueprint... they&#039;re quite brave.  There is no right, wrong, good or bad... There just IS.

I&#039;ve studied the Michaels Teachings... What I&#039;m able to gather from this is we experience a Cycle...  So we go through the &quot;baby&quot; soul age all the way through the &quot;old&quot; soul age and then back again over and over for eternity...  Time is an illusion and the soul probably finds great joy in manifesting in different bodies as different &quot;soul ages&quot; for a reason...  We are all one, created in unconditional love and have infinite wisdom.  We are all the same energy... We just choose to manifest in various bodies/personalities to assist others..

Hope this helps!

Warmly,
Julia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, This is a very interesting article.  I tend to agree with you because we are all One and part of the Godhead/Source, Essence, whatever we wish to call it.  In the world of spirit, there is no &#8220;better&#8221; or &#8220;worse.&#8221; These concepts are rooted in the physical realm, part of the illusion.  It&#8217;s a man-made concept based on the ego of course.<br />
Since we are human, many would like to be considered &#8220;older&#8221; or &#8220;wiser&#8221; due to the ego&#8217;s desires and the appealing notion of ranking &#8220;higher&#8221; on the totem pole.  But as mentioned earlier, it&#8217;s simply an illusion because we are all united and one in spirit.  All souls are interacting each second of the day and having effects on others, we all are.  We choose our roles for certain lifetimes in order to help others remember who they are&#8230;<br />
I firmly believe the reason we incarnate physically is to Remember who we are rather than Learn.  We were all created in perfection so we already &#8220;know&#8221; everything there is to know&#8230; There is nothing to Learn per se. The CWG books really emphasize this.  We simply come here to Experience what we know and practice what we know&#8230;  For example, a person can study music for 20 years but if they never practice that music, they will never fully experience what they know&#8230;.<br />
So we all choose roles for a reason&#8230; Some appear as &#8220;good&#8221; and others &#8220;bad&#8221;&#8230; But all is in divine order and perfect.  I actually admire souls who step up to the plate and take on the role of a &#8220;bad&#8221; person in order to help with another&#8217;s life purpose/blueprint&#8230; they&#8217;re quite brave.  There is no right, wrong, good or bad&#8230; There just IS.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve studied the Michaels Teachings&#8230; What I&#8217;m able to gather from this is we experience a Cycle&#8230;  So we go through the &#8220;baby&#8221; soul age all the way through the &#8220;old&#8221; soul age and then back again over and over for eternity&#8230;  Time is an illusion and the soul probably finds great joy in manifesting in different bodies as different &#8220;soul ages&#8221; for a reason&#8230;  We are all one, created in unconditional love and have infinite wisdom.  We are all the same energy&#8230; We just choose to manifest in various bodies/personalities to assist others..</p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
<p>Warmly,<br />
Julia</p>
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		<title>By: Hazel Fern.org&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Old Souls, Advanced Studies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hazel Fern.org&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Old Souls, Advanced Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, how I agree with this! 

There is so much about &#039;soul evolution&#039; that we just aren&#039;t aware of. We don&#039;t go from level 1 to level 100. I really want to add on points written here, but I find I have nothing to add other than: Just be you! Don&#039;t aspire to be like Jesus or Buddha! Their path was and IS different than yours! There&#039;s no clear - cut, drawn roadmap to follow for &#039;the best results possible&#039;. 
That&#039;s one of the good things in life: Walking your own path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, how I agree with this! </p>
<p>There is so much about &#8216;soul evolution&#8217; that we just aren&#8217;t aware of. We don&#8217;t go from level 1 to level 100. I really want to add on points written here, but I find I have nothing to add other than: Just be you! Don&#8217;t aspire to be like Jesus or Buddha! Their path was and IS different than yours! There&#8217;s no clear &#8211; cut, drawn roadmap to follow for &#8216;the best results possible&#8217;.<br />
That&#8217;s one of the good things in life: Walking your own path.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 06:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rose,

Yes I can see where you&#039;re coming from...it is disrespectful to judge someone based on a lesser &quot;spiritual performance&quot; because of blocks LOL. Not to mention ridiculous. And you wrote some interesting points here about power and strength. Thanks for commenting!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rose,</p>
<p>Yes I can see where you&#8217;re coming from&#8230;it is disrespectful to judge someone based on a lesser &#8220;spiritual performance&#8221; because of blocks LOL. Not to mention ridiculous. And you wrote some interesting points here about power and strength. Thanks for commenting!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rosine Caplot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosine Caplot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew: some souls feel more powerful than others, but this has nothing to do with wisdom, maturity or age. Some souls are just more aligned with power, just like other souls are more aligned with for example love and feel more loving. It also depends on their energy center of training. Someone trained in the 7th ECT is more likely to be perceived as bright and powerful than someone trained in the 4th one, for example (the stress lies on &quot;perceived&quot;... not saying they really are). I don&#039;t believe that the level of alignment with power can tell us anything about how old or wise someone is.  As you said, there are variations at soul level, but IMO none is wiser or more evolved than another.

Also, letting events break them does not mean they are younger or less wise. We all have different life lessons to learn, different challenges, different strengths and talents and specialities, and also different blocks and restrictions that limit us. What breaks the one does not break the other, and the other way around. Who knows, maybe being broken even is exactly what they needed to experience at this time or was even a life lesson planned all along. 

There are SO many factors. I wouldn&#039;t judge someone&#039;s wisdom based on what we can see. Who are we to know.

@Anna: thanks for this post. :) I don&#039;t know if there is a linear soul evolution or not. Honestly, I don&#039;t care to know *shrugs*. I agree with you that what counts here and now is not how evolved, old or wise we are, but how much we get in touch with our soul and tap into the wisdom of who we really are. 

It tends to annoy me when people talk about younger, older, more or less evolved, spiritual, or conscious people. Based on what I see in my practice, those people who make a big fuss about being oh so spiritual and highly conscious are ironically those who have the lower soul vibration rates. When I see in my practice how much some souls suffer from blocks that we cannot see, it seems really disrespectful to me to judge their &quot;spiritual performance&quot; as &quot;less&quot;. Where is compassion?

Sorry for ranting. :) Love to everybody. :)

Rosine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew: some souls feel more powerful than others, but this has nothing to do with wisdom, maturity or age. Some souls are just more aligned with power, just like other souls are more aligned with for example love and feel more loving. It also depends on their energy center of training. Someone trained in the 7th ECT is more likely to be perceived as bright and powerful than someone trained in the 4th one, for example (the stress lies on &#8220;perceived&#8221;&#8230; not saying they really are). I don&#8217;t believe that the level of alignment with power can tell us anything about how old or wise someone is.  As you said, there are variations at soul level, but IMO none is wiser or more evolved than another.</p>
<p>Also, letting events break them does not mean they are younger or less wise. We all have different life lessons to learn, different challenges, different strengths and talents and specialities, and also different blocks and restrictions that limit us. What breaks the one does not break the other, and the other way around. Who knows, maybe being broken even is exactly what they needed to experience at this time or was even a life lesson planned all along. </p>
<p>There are SO many factors. I wouldn&#8217;t judge someone&#8217;s wisdom based on what we can see. Who are we to know.</p>
<p>@Anna: thanks for this post. <img src='http://www.psychicbutsane.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t know if there is a linear soul evolution or not. Honestly, I don&#8217;t care to know *shrugs*. I agree with you that what counts here and now is not how evolved, old or wise we are, but how much we get in touch with our soul and tap into the wisdom of who we really are. </p>
<p>It tends to annoy me when people talk about younger, older, more or less evolved, spiritual, or conscious people. Based on what I see in my practice, those people who make a big fuss about being oh so spiritual and highly conscious are ironically those who have the lower soul vibration rates. When I see in my practice how much some souls suffer from blocks that we cannot see, it seems really disrespectful to me to judge their &#8220;spiritual performance&#8221; as &#8220;less&#8221;. Where is compassion?</p>
<p>Sorry for ranting. <img src='http://www.psychicbutsane.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Love to everybody. <img src='http://www.psychicbutsane.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Rosine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Winnie,

Thanks for stopping by and leaving your comment. 

Maybe it is a question of words. What I wanted to convey in this post is that no soul is inherently more wise than another because we&#039;re all pieces of source. But of course some remember the spiritual wisdom more than others. So maybe I feel it is not so much a question of learning, but remembering.

This post was an antidote to things I&#039;ve read and heard from people who feel that being a self-described old soul makes them somewhat superior in wisdom and character. I think that is a sort of conceit. 

Yes, it would be good to read Michael Newton&#039;s books again, with an open mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Winnie,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and leaving your comment. </p>
<p>Maybe it is a question of words. What I wanted to convey in this post is that no soul is inherently more wise than another because we&#8217;re all pieces of source. But of course some remember the spiritual wisdom more than others. So maybe I feel it is not so much a question of learning, but remembering.</p>
<p>This post was an antidote to things I&#8217;ve read and heard from people who feel that being a self-described old soul makes them somewhat superior in wisdom and character. I think that is a sort of conceit. </p>
<p>Yes, it would be good to read Michael Newton&#8217;s books again, with an open mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Winnie Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winnie Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 05:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think it is how we perceive the meaning of words. 

If you read &quot;Conversations with God&quot;, the &quot;God&quot; reminds us that we&#039;re all not here to &#039;learn&#039;, but actually remember who we are. 

Michael Newton&#039;s books makes a distinction between more &#039;evolved&#039; souls and lesser &#039;evolved&#039; souls, but he did state that in his findings, that has nothing got to do with the number of incarnations.

So it really depends on how we define the words &#039;old&#039;, &#039;young&#039;, &#039;evolved&#039;, &#039;learning&#039;. 

A person who is &#039;wiser&#039; and &#039;evolved&#039; as a human doesn&#039;t indicate that he/she is an evolved soul.

At the other end of the spectrum, someone who behaves in an unevolved manner may not be an unevolved soul. It could be a gracious soul who has volunteered to take on a difficult role.

I agree with you that soul growth is not linear. I myself am not convinced that time is linear. For all we know, we may be sent back to pre-historic ages to learn certain lessons. Or remember. We may progress, then regress. 

I think what Michael Newton was trying to imply is, that some souls accumulate more lessons than others and retain their lessons better. After a certain stage of learning, some gets &#039;promoted&#039; to guides. Your guides have to come from somewhere right? 

I think to do a good critique, we have to be aware of both sides of the story. Why don&#039;t challenge yourself to finish all Newton&#039;s books and see if you still feel the same way. Personally it is one thing to believe what a self-proclaimed teacher says, and another thing to believe thousands of case studies. Not by his own opinion, but by the answers that come from thousands of souls, tapped to remember their higher selves.

We have to remember that positive or negative implications of words are judged by us humans. In the spirit world, there is no judgement. 

Only love is real. My two cents. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think it is how we perceive the meaning of words. </p>
<p>If you read &#8220;Conversations with God&#8221;, the &#8220;God&#8221; reminds us that we&#8217;re all not here to &#8216;learn&#8217;, but actually remember who we are. </p>
<p>Michael Newton&#8217;s books makes a distinction between more &#8216;evolved&#8217; souls and lesser &#8216;evolved&#8217; souls, but he did state that in his findings, that has nothing got to do with the number of incarnations.</p>
<p>So it really depends on how we define the words &#8216;old&#8217;, &#8216;young&#8217;, &#8216;evolved&#8217;, &#8216;learning&#8217;. </p>
<p>A person who is &#8216;wiser&#8217; and &#8216;evolved&#8217; as a human doesn&#8217;t indicate that he/she is an evolved soul.</p>
<p>At the other end of the spectrum, someone who behaves in an unevolved manner may not be an unevolved soul. It could be a gracious soul who has volunteered to take on a difficult role.</p>
<p>I agree with you that soul growth is not linear. I myself am not convinced that time is linear. For all we know, we may be sent back to pre-historic ages to learn certain lessons. Or remember. We may progress, then regress. </p>
<p>I think what Michael Newton was trying to imply is, that some souls accumulate more lessons than others and retain their lessons better. After a certain stage of learning, some gets &#8216;promoted&#8217; to guides. Your guides have to come from somewhere right? </p>
<p>I think to do a good critique, we have to be aware of both sides of the story. Why don&#8217;t challenge yourself to finish all Newton&#8217;s books and see if you still feel the same way. Personally it is one thing to believe what a self-proclaimed teacher says, and another thing to believe thousands of case studies. Not by his own opinion, but by the answers that come from thousands of souls, tapped to remember their higher selves.</p>
<p>We have to remember that positive or negative implications of words are judged by us humans. In the spirit world, there is no judgement. </p>
<p>Only love is real. My two cents. <img src='http://www.psychicbutsane.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CocteauBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>CocteauBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MICHAEL WROTE: Having said that, I believe that the “age” of the soul itself has less to do with wisdom than, say, the Michael Teachings would have us believe. I know older people who seem really dumb and I know young people who have their shit together.

COCTEAUBOY WRITES: I just wanted to chime in and say that The Michael Teachings uses &quot;soul age&quot; to describe the maturity of the soul, not the literal age of it. So two &quot;old souls&quot; who have reached a certain level of capacity for learning how to choose, and choosing how to learn, may have very different &quot;ages&quot; in terms of number of incarnations, amount of time on the planet, etc.  And as far as The Michael Teachings are concerned, there is no real conclusive point of enlightenment, because even The Source {Tao, God, whatever) of all of this is also supposedly learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MICHAEL WROTE: Having said that, I believe that the “age” of the soul itself has less to do with wisdom than, say, the Michael Teachings would have us believe. I know older people who seem really dumb and I know young people who have their shit together.</p>
<p>COCTEAUBOY WRITES: I just wanted to chime in and say that The Michael Teachings uses &#8220;soul age&#8221; to describe the maturity of the soul, not the literal age of it. So two &#8220;old souls&#8221; who have reached a certain level of capacity for learning how to choose, and choosing how to learn, may have very different &#8220;ages&#8221; in terms of number of incarnations, amount of time on the planet, etc.  And as far as The Michael Teachings are concerned, there is no real conclusive point of enlightenment, because even The Source {Tao, God, whatever) of all of this is also supposedly learning.</p>
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